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Post by Rainbow on Fri May 13, 2016 6:47 pm

Also I would go with the mindset that it is not just about winning State Cup if his 01s that he hid from in state teams would've gotten off to a better start in ECNL. Then you can make the development argument. I just can not think of a team that he coached on his own that ever won state.

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Post by Rainbow on Fri May 13, 2016 6:50 pm

And being undefeated in the U14 Gold bracket is yawn..... well you see the top 5 teams for the most part are in either SRPL or ECNL so it is kind of like playing in a silver division.

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Post by Tar Heel on Fri May 13, 2016 8:38 pm

Rainbow wrote:Also I would go with the mindset that it is not just about winning State Cup if his 01s that he hid from in state teams would've gotten off to a better start in ECNL.  Then you can make the development argument.  I just can not think of a team that he coached on his own that ever won state.

You probably won't be able to say that in roughly 11 1/2 months from now. Very Happy
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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by Rainbow on Fri May 13, 2016 8:44 pm

We might know sooner than that if OSA decides to move up state cup to what maybe spring break and then we can play our spring league Smile

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri May 13, 2016 9:48 pm

Rainbow wrote:Also I would go with the mindset that it is not just about winning State Cup if his 01s that he hid from in state teams would've gotten off to a better start in ECNL.  Then you can make the development argument.  I just can not think of a team that he coached on his own that ever won state.

I think part of that is because he likes to switch it up... It's not all about winning everytime. He puts players in other positions to help round out their skills. If the same group always plays and wins in the same positions like those teams did before him, they won't develop into well rounded players. The idea is not to have a player at u14 or under that can only play one position! The idea is to have well rounded players that are comfortable in all positions. I have seen him coach first hand and seen him practice first hand and he teaches the players to get out of their comfort zone... He is a good coach. Heck I could put together a team and win state!
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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by Rainbow on Sat May 14, 2016 3:07 am

Yep the 03s ended on a high note and the 01s showed they where ready for ECNL this year.

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Post by Rainbow on Sat May 14, 2016 3:18 am

You know for the 03s this was the first year state cup really starts to matter. Winning it takes you to regionals. Previous years are basically just for local bragging rights .

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Post by redcard on Sat May 14, 2016 3:50 am

She didnt grow her second team the 3 years she had them. One year with Melton they grew to compete for state. She was put in an impossible situation coaching an gold and silver team. My dd team practiced across from them. She would cancel B teams practice but practice her top team.. with that said a coach should never be put in a situation as such especially an inexperienced coach. She was given both teams with zero experience. Set up for failure!!! I have said she conducts amazing skillful practices. Her knowledge of the game as a player is incredible. She was an incredible player. You cant become an amazing coach in 3 years and be expected to make an A and B team happy. The best coaches couldnt accomplish. Its easy to grow a talented group that was already successful. A really talented coach can develop a team that is raw and lacking. With that said her gold group is awesome. Melton, and Pemberton have proven that they can develop players and teams. Most often people overlook coaches as I listed above with the Sharps, Hardings etc. Interested to see what the 3rd 04 team does this year with a seasoned coach.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Sat May 14, 2016 10:34 pm

redcard wrote:Melton, and Pemberton have proven that they can develop players and teams. Most often people overlook coaches as I listed above with the Sharps, Hardings etc. Interested  to see what the 3rd 04 team does this year with a seasoned coach.  

Don't know about Melton, but Harding and Pemberton have done very little development with their 04 group. I'll give Sharp a pass since he's only had them for one year. But to my knowledge there have been no girls advance onto one of the top 3 TSCH '04 teams out of any of those teams. Maybe there are good development examples out of other age groups for these coaches. I just don't know of any with the '04 girls group.

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Post by redcard on Sun May 15, 2016 1:23 am

Pemebertons 05s grew a ton. Well, Rhein is the coach of the 04 3rd team from what has been mentioned. Surely, third teamers have to be happy with that option.

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Post by redcard on Sun May 15, 2016 1:32 am

Ofc 05 should be very good. One thing about OFC is you cant deny how all their teams play tough!! They are big, fast, athletic and play with heart. Not going to a ball at 100% isnt an option for them
Hampton, has done a great job!!

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Mon May 30, 2016 6:46 pm

The OFC 05's will keep 7 from their roster of 14.  A few things to point out.  This is our first year to play together as a team.  NOKC and ESC academies feed into OFC.  We played up and 11v11 all year (beat TSC 05 Careno once, and they beat us once) with a roster of 14 and only played 8v8 just one tourney vs boys before winning State Cup.  We can all agree that is pretty incredible given the drastic differences between field and goal size not to mention strategies jumping from 11v11 to 8v8.  Hampton and Swanson coached this season, but next year Hampton is staying with us and Swanson is not.  We are picking up another coach, but his name escapes me at the moment.  Was a fun season.  I hate that the team is getting split in half and I still don't understand why they won't let us play up.  I think playing 8v8 another year actually hurts the growth of these girls, but take my opinion with a grain of salt.

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Post by 918soccer on Mon May 30, 2016 7:42 pm

I think 05s are playing 9v9 in the fall. With 7 players returning, OFC should be very strong. Has the team already had tryouts to fill the remaining spots?

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by Gunners006 on Mon May 30, 2016 10:22 pm

I think they have tryouts after this week but not for sure.

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Tue May 31, 2016 1:57 am

I think you are right with the 9v9 this fall.  Anything that isn't 11v11 makes no sense to me.  This Thurs, Fri, Sat is our camp/tryouts.  Technically I think the tryout is Sat.

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Post by Gatorade95 on Tue May 31, 2016 12:04 pm

9v9 will be good for them. It will help them develop in to stronger technical players. Too much kicking and running at the younger ages when playing 11v11. (kickball)

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Tue May 31, 2016 3:34 pm

Gatorade95 wrote:9v9 will be good for them.  It will help them develop in to stronger technical players.  Too much kicking and running at the younger ages when playing 11v11.  (kickball)
or it can provide a smaller space for big out of shape kids to smash their way through and win. From what i've seen the last few years, all your doing is giving more space for the bigger girls to play smash ball. Hope it goes the way of development but for results oriented coaches i can see it turning into smash ball in a more enclosed area.

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Post by Gatorade95 on Tue May 31, 2016 5:19 pm

or you can move the ball around the big out of shape kids will tire out. Results oriented coaches need to go coach rec along with the results oriented parents. 11 year olds don't need to be playing 11v11 yet.

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Tue May 31, 2016 5:24 pm

Gatorade95 wrote:or you can move the ball around the big out of shape kids will tire out.  Results oriented coaches need to go coach rec along with the results oriented parents.  11 year olds don't need to be playing 11v11 yet.
I completely disagree. Some 11 year olds are ready, others are not. I do disagree about results oriented coaches. I've seen too many kids succeed in small sided 8 v 8 and get to 11 v 11 and be unable to play. It's two different games and that's where you need good coaches to guide which kids are ready for what

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by Gatorade95 on Tue May 31, 2016 6:13 pm

I could argue for hours but I will just agree that we disagree.

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Tue May 31, 2016 6:40 pm

agreed. Its one of those discussions that is never ending.

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:13 am

Gatorade95, out of curiosity...what age do you think is an acceptable age to start playing 11v11 on a real field with real goals?

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Post by 918soccer on Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:42 am

O5 Beattie AP scrimmaged 04 Griffin AP today. Both teams looked very good but Griffin set the pace and won 1-0 on a late shot by a former 05 Carreno player. A second scrimmage is scheduled for next week.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:50 am

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:Gatorade95, out of curiosity...what age do you think is an acceptable age to start playing 11v11 on a real field with real goals?

Just to put it out there, most European academies don't start 11v11 till U14. They progress from 5v5 to 7v7 to 9v9 to finally a full side. With each change the field gets a little bigger. They focus on the smaller side games to push individual growth and not winnings tactics. I'm not saying that they're not learning to tactics, but it isn't the primary focus. They also limit the amount of games a team can play in a year (normally no more than 30 games a year). The focus is on practice (5-6 days a week), creativity and making mistakes. In my opinion, this is why European academies consistently produce the world's best talents.

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