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Re: Opl predictions

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:55 pm

Oakie75 wrote:Wow sounds a little paranoid.  So two families caused the downfall of a club?  Thats a lot of power.  
Did Blitz fold?

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Post by Oakie75 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:17 pm

Not that I know of. But according to Ttown05 2 families have been causing all the problems. Lol!
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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:39 pm

Oakie75 wrote:Not that I know of.  But according to Ttown05 2 families have been causing all the problems. Lol!
In that case (assuming this Ttown05 is correct) it seems like a blessing that those 2 families have gone and are TSC's issue now.   From what it seems everything is good now at Blitz 04 thus may be more than a rumor.

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Post by Oakie75 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:11 pm

Seems so. Lol!
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Re: Opl predictions

Post by soccerschmuck on Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:46 pm

Parker 6-1 over Cosmos. Is that correct?

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Post by Justfirkix on Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:16 am

yes it is and heard blitz lost 3-1 to ofc. Parker still putting up some big W's.

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Post by Justfirkix on Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:22 am

yes it is and heard blitz lost 3-1 to ofc. Parker still putting up some big W's.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:06 pm

Or I guess we should say Parker* is putting up some big wins. Don't forget that asterisk. Razz

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Post by soccerschmuck on Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:15 pm

Any commentary on Parker/Cosmos game? This is the most surprising score I have seen in quite awhile.

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Post by Bigbadwolf on Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:31 pm

Ask Cosmos. I don't want to be accused of bragging.

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Re: Opl predictions

Post by SSD2004 on Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:56 pm

I'll jump in.....first off the * in Parker* could have been two 3 year olds and it wouldn't have mattered.

Parker played the best I have ever seen them (A+) and SLSC did not (C-). Put those two together when there is a small gap already and you have 6-1. Some of SLSC's issues were self-inflicted, especially early, but that still doesn't take away that Parker just took it to SLSC in every aspect of the game.

If anyone is an OU fan think OU-Nova in the Final Four. Was the difference between those teams 40 points? No, but it certainly was that night.


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Post by Soonerdad04 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:52 pm

Didnt Parkers team have guest players?

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Post by cosmos04 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:57 pm

Yeah but that didn't really matter they played great and would of beat us with or with out guest players that day.

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Re: Opl predictions

Post by The Soccer 1% on Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:32 pm

Why very good teams use guest players in league play is beyond me. WTH?

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Post by SSD2004 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:47 pm

The Soccer 1% wrote:Why very good teams use guest players in league play is beyond me.  WTH?

I'll be honest, if that game would have been 2-1 Parker and guest players had made the difference I would have been beyond irritated. Luckily, the Parker girls quickly made it a non-issue.

Their bench didn't look too thin so I read it "before the game" that they were in OKC this weekend to prove a point. (Keep in mind they were originally schedule to play NOKC the next day as well)

I definitely think it is a grey area.....most guest players I have seen have been out of true emergency or if they wanted to give a lower kid a shot at a higher level. This was something a little new I personally had not seen before.

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Post by FUBAR on Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:53 pm

First of all the Parker team was short benched due to some injuries and needed some players. These Griffin girls were asked to help out another TSC team and they did. If you think this is the only time such a thing has happened you must live in a cave. This happens all the time and yes the team you represent (if your dd plays for a larger club like TSC or OFC )has probably done it. Griffin girls jump at any chance to get out on the pitch and play because that is what they love to do. This desire to learn and play, wether its guesting with other teams or additional training, is what sets these elite players apart from the rest.

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Post by SSD2004 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:06 pm

Cave Dweller here.....I can honestly say I have never seen it in league play. Tournaments, no doubt.

I'll be clear I only watched about half the game (due to competing child priorities) and didn't realize Parker was down to no subs; and if so probably a little more understandable. But I didn't notice a small bench when watching.

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Post by The Soccer 1% on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:11 pm

SSD2004 wrote:Cave Dweller here.....I can honestly say I have never seen it in league play.  Tournaments, no doubt.  

I'll be clear I only watched about half the game (due to competing child priorities) and didn't realize Parker was down to no subs; and if so probably a little more understandable.  But I didn't notice a small bench when watching.  

I think when good players play on good teams it's not real noticeable. And, typically it's a player here/there.

I see the game cards for our team so it's happening. I see it with two clubs ongoing now that I've started paying attention. Personally, I think it's a coach and not a club thing and is the exception and not the rule. We use younger players to help out with injuries and a thin roster. We don't use ringers. But, we don't have access to ringers. I think the huballoo from parents that would cause our coach and manager would make it more difficult to pull off in an environment that is not such a meritocracy.

There should be rules. You shouldn't be able to drop down a level to play in a league game. You could always play up but not down. If you leave it flexible for development, hyper-competitive people will abuse the flexibility to gain an edge. It's happening now and was worse in the past. They limited it to 3 per game starting in 2015.

Funny thing is that I went in and looked at the examples from two years ago and they have been whitewashed in gotsoccer from that other club.

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Re: Opl predictions

Post by canester2002 on Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:15 pm

Just a point of information, but I understand Parker is down to 12 healthy kids. Couldn't CPP from Amos since they are in the same division and couldn't CPP from Sharpe, Harding, or Pemberton because they were competing in President's Cup last weekend. Not that the players club passed from Griffin made much of a difference in the result.

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Post by bird04 on Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:43 pm

canester2002 wrote:Just a point of information, but I understand Parker is down to 12 healthy kids.  Couldn't CPP from Amos since they are in the same division and couldn't CPP from Sharpe, Harding, or Pemberton because they were competing in President's Cup last weekend.  Not that the players club passed from Griffin made much of a difference in the result.  

And I think that just about closes that line of discussion! Well made case! cheers

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Post by The Soccer 1% on Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:12 pm

If they're worried about people using it to cheat they shouldn't worry about people in the same division, they should make it where you can't come down. Griffin would be appropriate. They're playing up but still in silver. Were they in gold that might be different.

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:37 pm

Okay.  Seriously people.   Clubs should not need to play players "down" unless there is some extringent circumstances.   The purpose of the club pass system rules was for smaller clubs who might not be able to form two teams in two different age groups.   For example, without club passing players from Clinton's U12 to a u13 team, that U13 team may not be able to form.  

The purpose WAS NOT to gain a competitive advantage for purposes of seeding or standing within a division of soccer.   And while last weekends club passes had no effect on the game (SLSC never stepped off the bus, worse game they played in years from effort and focus) its a prime example of how the huge clubs can manipulate who makes what division.  

Example. (I'll even go away from TSC).  Lets say OFC White is tied with Norman for OPL Silver division lead.  A win or tie gets OFC White promoted.   OFC club passes their defensive line off the first team playing in OPL Gold.   Tell me, under what circumstances is this fair for the norman girls?  How is this indicative of a team that deserves to be promoted?  You can't say this hasn't happened or been attempted as we all know certain clubs consistently do it.

Now, you may say this is a hypothetical.  However, we all know this has occurred for placement purposes of teams and/or trying to relegate teams that certain clubs want to steal their players. In my hypothetical it exemplifies a situation where OFC's goal is demoralize Norman so that they can steal their top 2 or 3 players.   

Its a dangerous line that is walked.  You can't feign righteous indignation as we all know this has occurred.   I'm all for playing kids up (such as younger kids or those in a lower division) but it should not be allowed to reverse itself as it smacks of creating a competitive disadvantage which is against the designated mission of OPL and most leagues.


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Post by The Soccer 1% on Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:05 pm

Word! It's supposed to be for developmental purposes. And, while I'm not griping about the Parker thing, is playing with 12 criminal? Small clubs do it. I see these big clubs with a roster of 15 or 16 CPP players and they suit up 17 or so when you play them. If they were guesting a wing or a left defender in a different role that would be developmental. Talking with a friend who coaches boys he said he's seen whole midfield and forward groups be brought in back before they limited it to three per game.

And, it does have to do wih beating down the other side and then recruiting. If you think it doesn't you're being naive.

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Post by bird04 on Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:13 pm

Good points, all...I just think that it sounds like in this instance it was "justified".....or not, if playing with 12 players is OK...which it is, as we spent an entire year a while back doing just that...made the Plano Labor Day tournament rather tough that year! But the girls got PLENTY of playing time! Yikes, that was a scorcher....

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:18 pm

We have done the same with 12 players.  Due to injuries we played with 12 and sometimes 13 the majority of U11 fall and spring. Played state cup with 12. Last fall played with 13 because of injuries.  Played this winters Micheal Brown tournament in gold division with 3 of 4 forwards unable to go.

Injuries happens and you can play with a small roster. It happens.  

That said, osa needs to get a grip on it to stop the issues I mentioned as two clubs are able to use this to a recruiting and divisional advantage of the numerous other clubs in the state. Use some common sense restrictions and the problem is alleviated. However, we all know common sense is not synonymous with OSA.

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