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Who all is trying out for ECNL???

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Re: Who all is trying out for ECNL???

Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:10 am

A year ago Banham was a different team and they beat Beattie in the first game of State Cup... No Beattie probably wouldn't... Lol. Good news though... If you get invited to a practice before tryouts that will be a pretty good sign! Should be in the next couple weeks you will know your chances. But if you see the 2nd team coach at your games or practices too! Say hi to him, his name is Ken. He is a nice guy.
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Post by bird04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:22 pm

I didn't know that Banham had a lot of movement from the team...knew that they had injuries for a quite a bit of the year...how are they a different team? Did they have some girls leave? Or are you talking about when they were at Blitz?

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:48 pm

Yeah a year ago they were Blitz right? This year I would rank them even with Sharp or Stump maybe... That's being generous.
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Post by bird04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:03 pm

I think so....didn't they beat Williams during OPL in the Fall and lose to them once, too? Seems like they would have to be considered close to even, then Sharp then Stump?

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:45 pm

I think you're right about that... But Blitz beat Griffin twice in one weekend. Does that make them even? I think you would have to look at the competition each of them play and has played and how well they have done as a whole? You wouldn't say SLSC 03 is better than Griffin since they beat them the other day?

This is what I will say... I don't for one minute believe that every 03 on Beattie or Griffin is better than every 03 on Banham, Williams, Sharp, Parker or Stump. I would say as a team yes but I think all of those teams have players that could out perform one another if given a chance. Watching the AGT it sure was funny how they were split up? Seemed like a lot of shake up and Griffin was paired with Banham. I 100% believe that not every 03 from any of these teams will be offered a position on the ECNL team. How many 03s does Griffin have? I hear Beattie has 5-6 and Williams has 9-10 and Banham has all but a couple and I'm not sure about Parker or Stump or Sharp.
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Post by bird04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:53 pm

7 03's...and I agree with most of what you say, especially as I never said all the 03's off of Griffin would make it...just most...also, some may elect not to play ECNL. Certainly not only 1-2 making ECNL off of Griffin as was initially put out on this thread, however.

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:11 pm

I think it should be more than 1-2 as well... I wasn't the one who said 1-2. It will be interesting to see if the ECNL coaches think the same. My official prediction is 4-5 from Beattie, 3-4 from Griffin, 3-4 from Williams, 1-2 from Parker, 1 from sharp, 2-3 from Banham, and 1 long shot from Stump. That's my guess and the rest will be what makes up the 2nd team under Richardson and then Banham will have 3rd pick... and then on down the line.
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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:35 pm

I think 5-6 from Beattie, 2- 3 from Griffin, 3-4 from williams, 1 - 2 from Parker and maybe a straggler or two from other teams or clubs. That said its a fluid situation as some parents may not want to do ECNL and other factors.

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Post by bird04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:38 pm

Sounds about right, but would go 5-6 from Griffin, 2-3 from Williams, 1 from Parker, 1-2 from Sharp, 2-3 from Banham. We could both be wrong, but it's fun to put it out there! It'll probably somewhere around there...

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:50 pm

I have seen all of these teams play once or twice and honestly they all have some talent! It's like building the All-Star team! As long as the parents don't get in the way, it will be a stacked team for sure!
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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:10 pm

I think it is really hard to compare players based on what you see in league games. You can not count a player that has an impact in OCL or OPL Silver to have the same impact in ECNL. There are exceptions but many times the strong players in OCL and OPL Silver are use to doing many things on their own and they need time to adapt to understanding how to play with a team that is full of other stronger and athletic players plus the whole speed of play thing. You can kind of say the same thing about OPL gold once the top 4 teams where removed for SRPL. ... and then thinking about the OK teams finished 8, 9 , 10 and 11 so are we sure there are many that are really ready to compete with the top N Texas teams. Those N Texas teams will only get stronger as they do have teams that reside in the top 10 in N Texas that will loose their top talent to the N Texas ECNL clubs and thus just make those top N Texas teams even stronger....

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:32 pm

lets remember that TSCs 2nd team was in it with all of the other clubs top team. They held Sting Gutierrez to a 0-1 game. That's a team that is ranked #2 in the nation. If TSC Beattie would have played they would have been top 3 more than likely based on their history with those teams...
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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:41 pm

They played them close based on the score but how many guest players in that game (how many guest players in the fall OPL that helped them get a spot in SRPL?) and was the strategy to go play them straight up or was it the pack it in and hope the other team can not find the net (like some other teams did against this strategy).  Soccer is just one of those games where you can get dominated but the score looks close or sometimes with a lucky break you can pull off a win.  The best team even when they play well does not always win in soccer.

Also I believe Williams 03 was the only team that lost to the team that finished 12th with 1 - 1 - 9 record and a negative  32 goal differential on the season.  I have a hard time giving them much credit for 0 - 1 result against Sting with they also lost 0 - 2 to the team that only had 1 win.  The results are just way to inconsistent....and the reliance on guest players is just to common...

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:33 pm

I don't know exactly but I have a friend over there... you seem to be closer to that team than I am and know much more than me... I only have the results list and a buddy over there. I was told there were only a couple of guests in the Fall and they had 4 players out all spring for injury which makes sense for the need to borrow some help... I couldn't tell you the strategy of that team or any other one. I doubt there is one? I know they have a few good players and the rest are probably so-so at best. Again I would divert and say that they are TSC's 2nd team against every other clubs 1st team.

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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:49 pm

I just think its to hard to tell.  In the fall they finished tied for 3rd with 8 points... Banham had 7 points... I know in the fall they had guest players when they tied OFC 03 and another game that they earned points in.... last weekend they tied 03 Sharp (missing starters that had injuries) in Lexus Cup (with no guest players on 03 Williams).  The results are just so inconsistent......

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:18 pm

Oh wow I didn't know all that... Is it coaching? Or do they really not have any good players? How much difference does 1 or 2 guest players make? People always make it out like if a team has a guest player then that guest player did all the work and made all the plays and scored all the goals etc... I haven't seen that be the case. It usually helps to fill 1-2 gaps caused by injured players... or weaknesses in the original roster. But It only helps to complete an already almost complete team right? If one player fills a gap on that Williams team then they must have been decent to begin with right? Maybe they are just a couple players away from being the top team??? I don't know of any players in the 03 age group that could single handedly make the impact of a whole team?
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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:31 pm

I guess it depends... If I lack speed and bring in a speedy player to take away the other teams fast forward... That can seem like the guest player did not do much because they didn't score but they took away the other teams primary threat....

If you bring in 3 guest players and play them 75%+ of the game that can make a big difference.

Just saying with no guest players they tie Sharp and Sharp was playing without some players because of injuries...

With guest players in the fall OPL the managed 8 pts in 8 games... With most of those points coming when they had guest players. Without the guest players maybe they only get 6 pts and do not qualify for SRPL....

You can not really tell anything with their results because they are always needing guest players

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:43 pm

Those are valid points! Did they actually bring in 3 guests and play them 75% of the game? That's not right? Did they really have injured players?

Looking at their results it seems like they have a scoring problem and not a defense problem... Maybe they have players in the wrong positions etc... I have only seen them play a couple times but they didn't look horrible. What about Banhams team how did they do? Should the 03 Beattie team have played SRPL?
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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:56 pm

No guest players when the lost 0-2 to the 12th place team in SRPL....

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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:02 pm

My understanding is that OSA would not let Beattie play in SRPL because Beattie did not play in their age group. OSA says that they sent out an email before teams decided to play up stating that you had to play in your age group. My understanding is that no other team at TSCH got this email stating this and OSA can only provide an email that is dated in the fall of 2015.... Things that make you go hmmm

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:30 pm

12th place team must not be horrible to have made SRPL? Buddy told me they had 2 guest players on that one... And 4 injured players.

OSA didn't want the Beattie team playing in that league... I still rank the Williams team above Banham and looking at the other results from last weekend they also tied the team that won the gold bracket... Who knows what the deal is. Still say the TSC 2nd and 3rd teams are better than some first teams and all of the 2nd teams in the state.

Still say there are players on the other teams that are as good or better than players on the top teams individually... maybe some of them were offered to play on higher level teams and the parents kept them where they were or the coaches did?
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Post by Rainbow on Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:39 pm

I agree I think there are some. Just tough to say much given how many times they used guest players. Yes there where injured players but they have a big roster and they always seem to go to Beattie first vs looking for development opportuntiies for players on other teams or trusting their own players to step up.

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Post by bird04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:48 pm

I may have to revise my estimate of how many Williams players make ECNL downward, given the facts laid out in the above conversation......

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Post by bird04 on Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:55 pm

Yellowcard, I'm curious, given what you've said above about not really knowing that much other than from a results list, how you get to 3-4 from Williams? I knew that there were a lot of guest players (from our team and 1 from Parker on a regular basis), but I didn't know the results were that dismal, honestly. Is that number coming from your friend? No intention of being a jerk here, BTW....I have a friend that has a daughter on the team and he thinks its 2-3...again, no guarantee that he's right and your friend is wrong, or vice versa.....

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Post by Yellowcard on Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:40 pm

This prompted me to make a call to get some clear answers... You guys are right about a lot and also wrong about a lot. Turns out they have a roster of 16 with 4 injured players which left them with 12. And he said they were a couple of their better players out. I asked specifically how many Griffin players guested with Williams and the answer is 1 and he said it was an 04 which makes me wonder how good the 03s are if they were never asked? He said the Parker player guested regularly. So that is correct. I don't know guys? I don't know who to trust now. Another friend on Banham gave me some insight too but I don't think that number is correct. Sounds like it might be a Beattie/Griffin team... nobody called you any names. I am using the info I get from others!
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