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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu May 26, 2016 2:33 pm

Bundesliga wrote:The propaganda I have read here lately is calamitous. There are some authentic posts, but too many are FALLACIOUS. Please understand that ECNL is a great opportunity, but research indicates the younger players (especially Pre/Jr Ecnl & younger) improve more rapidly via educated training rather than a league. Also, a youth coaches prestige should not be determined by his win/loss record. Historically, our clubs have overlooked development in pursuit of a "W" at these ages. Therefore, our clubs are business before development and the parents lack of education enable this destructive system. It's important to TRAIN WITH A COACH, rather than be trained by a club. The literature is out there to educate yourselves. Produce an educated decision for your child this year and sign with a coach...not a club.
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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by TSC010405 on Thu May 26, 2016 2:33 pm

I think it's funny that people on this board think the parents at TSC are stupid. I guess Parker Goins parents should have not put their daughter in ECNL or at TSC because all TSC cares about is money not development. What a joke people! I've had my daughters at different clubs in the past and I can say that TSCH works extremely hard to develop their players.
Signing with a coach and not a club could be put an even better way. "Sign where it's best for your child". Never have blind allegiance to a club or to a COACH. Bundesliga sounds like a coach to me.

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu May 26, 2016 2:42 pm

I don't think anyone has said TSC is not doing a good job. I was asked a question and answered it to the best of my ability.

You bring up Parker GOins. Is TSC the reason she is there or is it God given ability that would have been enhanced at most if not any club. How about Hensley Hancuff who I believe made the U16 national team? Is it OFC or God given talent?

I think these posts evidence one thing and one thing only, TSC's marketing is brilliant. To have parents (presumably parents not employees) so vociferously defend and/or prop up TSC means they are doing something right, at least in terms of their top teams and parents with players on those teams (which seems to be the case on this board)

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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by TSC010405 on Thu May 26, 2016 2:48 pm

I never said that TSC was the reason Parker was so good. But to give them zero credit for it and for what she has learned is ignorant.

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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by oksoccer on Thu May 26, 2016 2:55 pm

ENERGYFC04 wrote:
Bundesliga wrote:The propaganda I have read here lately is calamitous. There are some authentic posts, but too many are FALLACIOUS. Please understand that ECNL is a great opportunity, but research indicates the younger players (especially Pre/Jr Ecnl & younger) improve more rapidly via educated training rather than a league. Also, a youth coaches prestige should not be determined by his win/loss record. Historically, our clubs have overlooked development in pursuit of a "W" at these ages. Therefore, our clubs are business before development and the parents lack of education enable this destructive system. It's important to TRAIN WITH A COACH, rather than be trained by a club. The literature is out there to educate yourselves. Produce an educated decision for your child this year and sign with a coach...not a club.
cheers

Great post!

Yes, great post!

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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu May 26, 2016 2:59 pm

I don't think anyone on here has given them any lack of credit. I'm unsure where that thought process even originates.

Frankly, I'm rather baffled. Most people on here give immense credit to TSC and the recent successes they have had in Oklahoma soccer.

However, it seems unless there is an outright glorification of TSC on this board then many get upset. If you dare question anything TSC does, people on this board get upset.

TSC is a good club. They are not perfect. They are not "the best" at everything. They serve the needs of some, not of others. They are GREAT MARKETERS.


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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu May 26, 2016 3:05 pm

Tar Heel wrote:
That actually made me laugh out loud. One of these days i'm going to be computer savy enough to generate these things lol!

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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by TSC010405 on Thu May 26, 2016 3:23 pm

I can understand your frustration over peoples blind following of a club. I do not believe TSC is perfect at all. I guess where you see people on this forum exalting them, some of us see others just blindly smashing them and that's not right either.

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Post by Rainbow on Thu May 26, 2016 3:32 pm

At the younger ages I always went with coach... problem at the smaller clubs is when that coach leaves is there a decent replacement

When it gets close to recruiting time I always looked for what puts them in the best position to be seen and with a team that suits their strengths.  If the coach does not offer what is needed in their training sessions then I used privates.  

My kids where always good about spending time on their own with the ball.  Honestly this probably makes the biggest difference.  The kids that have always just gone outside and played with the ball from the time they where little into HS just seem to have that extra composure and little bit of creativity and can pull it off under pressure more consistently

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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by Yellowcard on Thu May 26, 2016 4:11 pm

If you live in Tulsa or surrounding area, the best option is TSC plain and simple... We don't live in Dallas where there are tons of quality choices. That's what it comes down to... I want my kid to play with the best our area has to offer... Practice, Games, Etc... Like it or not that is a LARGE part of development. It just so happens that in Tulsa TSC is where that happens. If it were Blitz or WSA then that's probably where we would be. OKC has a good 500k more residents in the metro area and therefore can sustain more options.
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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by TSC010405 on Thu May 26, 2016 4:22 pm

Yellowcard wrote:If you live in Tulsa or surrounding area, the best option is TSC plain and simple...  We don't live in Dallas where there are tons of quality choices.  That's what it comes down to...  I want my kid to play with the best our area has to offer...  Practice, Games, Etc...  Like it or not that is a LARGE part of development.  It just so happens that in Tulsa TSC is where that happens.  If it were Blitz or WSA then that's probably where we would be.  OKC has a good 500k more residents in the metro area and therefore can sustain more options.  

And obviously its not for everyone. There are other good clubs in Tulsa too. It all goes back to do what is best for your kid.

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Post by Yellowcard on Thu May 26, 2016 6:25 pm

TSC010405 wrote:
Yellowcard wrote:If you live in Tulsa or surrounding area, the best option is TSC plain and simple...  We don't live in Dallas where there are tons of quality choices.  That's what it comes down to...  I want my kid to play with the best our area has to offer...  Practice, Games, Etc...  Like it or not that is a LARGE part of development.  It just so happens that in Tulsa TSC is where that happens.  If it were Blitz or WSA then that's probably where we would be.  OKC has a good 500k more residents in the metro area and therefore can sustain more options.  

And obviously its not for everyone.  There are other good clubs in Tulsa too.  It all goes  back to do what is best for your kid.  

That is true... I just feel like the option of joining a team in those clubs that have a full roster of top talent kids just isn't there. Sure they will have some talent but it can be discouraging for a top performer to be on a team that has 5-6 kids that don't give it their all every game and practice. That isn't coaching or club related necessarily. So there is a place for everyone and I agree with that.
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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by redcard on Thu May 26, 2016 7:36 pm


I understand your concern as a parent. I have the same concerns. If you look at TSCH results in the semis of State. It is impressive that the 3rd teams are comptitive with other clubs top teams.

TSCH 3rd level teams are very competitive and 2 3rd teams made the semi finals of State. Pemberton 05 lost in PKS to be in semis and Banham lacked one point to advance.

There are so many options in the Tulsa area for all players to find their soccer home.

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Post by 918soccer on Thu May 26, 2016 8:58 pm

For the record, I think OFC (and even Furry and SLC) are doing exceptionally well developing players. They have very good coaches and play amazingly similar to their eastern counterparts. Gotta love the aggressive Oklahoma style of play!

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Post by FootballDad05 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:25 pm

I dont know where a lot of this information comes from but my DD is on the 05 Beattie Jr ECNL team and no sponsor has been named and as far as closed ECNL league w N Texas is in the works and no final decision hasbeen made on play within OSA. There are three jr ecnl events and there will also be jr to cnl league play in Dallas over 3-4 weekends. Anything more than this is unknown as of this day.

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Post by 918soccer on Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:46 pm

The sponsorship is being finalized. Should be finished before the first game.

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Post by FootballDad05 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:04 pm

Great if it makes it cheaper for me

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Post by FootballDad05 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:20 pm

I'm new to all these seperate leagues and such but for me the only thing of importance is that my DD plays with the strongest group of girls she can. To get better you need to have better quality all across the board.

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Re: 2004 True Age Landscape

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:23 pm

Sponsor is brilliant.   By my estimation in 10 years he has equity into the future US Women's team.   lol!

No offense people there is a thing called private messages and I assume parents and managers of a team can inform parents of sponsorship opportunities.  The rest of Oklahoma can give a flying flip.

Also, what does conversation about an 05 teams sponsor have to do with the 2004 True Age Landscape?

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Post by FootballDad05 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:07 pm

EnergyFC04 it seems that 04 and 05 talk is mashed in both threads. It seems to me you are ticked off with TSC ECNL, sorry that your club was not invited but since I live in T-Town our options are limited in whats best for our DD, i'm just glad these opportunities exist unlike when I was growing up. But just get over it and invite some EnergyFC parents to join the talk.

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Post by TSC010405 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:09 pm

FootballDad05 wrote:EnergyFC04 it seems that 04 and 05 talk is mashed in both threads. It seems to me you are ticked off with TSC ECNL, sorry that your club was not invited but since I live in T-Town our options are limited in whats best for our DD, i'm just glad these opportunities exist unlike when I was growing up. But just get over it and invite some EnergyFC parents to join the talk.

Remember to get approval from Energy before you post to make sure he gives a flyin flip. Very Happy

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:30 pm

TSC

I think that is the best idea you have come up with. Step 1 of my moderator monarchy will require discussion of a sponsorship of an 05 team be moved to the 05 board and NOT under a heading titled 2004 True Age Landscape

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Post by Yellowcard on Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:20 am

ENERGYFC04 wrote:TSC

I think that is the best idea you have come up with.   Step 1 of my moderator monarchy will require discussion of a sponsorship of an 05 team be moved to the 05 board and NOT under a heading titled 2004 True Age Landscape

I support that! Get on the right threads people!!!
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Post by Big Red on Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:37 pm

How will OPL 1 and 2 look this year for the 04s? If I use the spring results, the following teams would be in OPL 1 and 2. OPL 1 will be TSC Parker, OFC, Blitz, South Lakes and TSC Carreno, but TSC Carreno to be replaced with TSC Griffin unless the posts on this forum are wrong. OPL 2 will be TSC Amos, OFC white, Fury, Unity, TSC Harding, WSA blue, TSC Sharp and from OCL Arsenal and OFC 05. I bet many of the coaches have changed, but the clubs keep the spot right? So TSC will have 5 spots, OFC 3 spots, and Blitz, South Lakes, Norman, Unity, WSA and Arsenal all with 1 spot each?

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