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Post by bird04 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:45 pm

Anyone have the schedules yet?

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:59 am

All I can find on the OSA website is seedings. The prelims are a week from today and still nothing. Amazing.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Lovely OSA. This is hard for those on westside who have to make travel plans yet a week out and we still can't.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:55 am

State Cup schedules out on the OSA website...

http://www.gotsport.com/events/?eventid=56469

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by 918soccer on Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:07 am

So, OSA put TSC teams in the same brackets so only one team can advance (04 boys and girls) and all OFC and Blitz teams in separate brackets so both teams can advance (U11b, U14b, U11g).?.?

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:06 pm

Is OSA stupid?  Yes. Is OSA administered horridly? Yes.  We have known that for years.   Does OSA make rules that lack a solid foundation? Yes.  Do they make up crap as they go?  yes.  

All that said, the rule this year was seeding was based upon fall standings.   Stupid?  Yes.   Rule?  Yes.   Makes a stark difference!

Fall Standings                          Spring SRPL Standings
Griffin                                     SLSC
OFC                                       NYSA
Blitz                                       OFC
Parker                                    Blitz
NYSA                                     Parker
SLSC                                

That said, all parties knew the rules.   Same as Griffin knew the rules about not playing in a spring league (it appears for some reason OSA made exception to that).  No one can complain IMO when the rules are written even if you disagree.   Further, seeding isn't a science.  Look at lexus cup in 04 age group.   TSC put 3 of the top 5 teams in one bracket and probably the 7th ranked team in one bracket as well.   Gotta be careful casting stones.

Now if we talk common sense, one would think OSA could do better.  Whether it be spring standings, tournament records etc there is a better way to do it.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:47 pm

Energy there's a big difference in scheduling 3 teams in one bracket for a home tournament where TSC wants all of there teams to compete. It's another differrnce when the rules by OSA are changed halfway through a year. This change also affected the 05 Beattie team. One has to wonder if these constant changes have helped the sport in the state and in my opinion have led to some clubs wanting to change from USYS. If it was just TSC we could argue this is a one over but with the number of clubs looking to leave OSA's jurisdiction would mean the underlying problems are more severe. Yes TSCH made a decision to skip spring league but were told that Fall results would be for qualification for State Cup but when the rules are changed mid season then the blame falls squarely on the governing body and not the clubs.

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Post by sooner5 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:04 pm

I agree with FootDAd05, that decision falls on the shoulders of OSA.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:47 pm


If you do the scheduling according to seeding then it doesn't matter if by happenstance that is where TSC or any other club's teams fall. If TSC or any club has more than one team competing that is the risk they take. If they fall within the same group then that is fine if that is where seeding takes them. Special accommodations shouldn't be made so that one club avoids playing its own.

As for rules, the OSA rules stated before season started you had to be in USYS league both seasons. Now i really don't care but its there in black and white so don't agree with allegations it was sprung on anyone. Now, whether OSA represented otherwise is always for debate.


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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:55 pm

Energy if those were the rules before the season I don't think there would be so many parents or Clubs complaining about the rule change. Either way when Energy is playing by themselves in OSA leagues there won't be any complaints i guess. OSA has brought themselves into irrelevance.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:10 pm

I agree OSA leadership has induced self inflicted harm to itself.  You and i would probably agree with a lot of things.    

What we don't agree on is dispersing TSC teams where they don't have to play each other.  I also don't agree that the rules weren't in place before the fall season (this wasn't a spring change).  That said, I also don't know what was told TSC and/or communicated to them separately.  The only ones i've heard complaining about this rule is TSC.    

That said, rules were in place before the fall season which said you had to play in spring to qualify for state cup.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:35 pm

I have not looked at the rules i am just speaking from what i had heard. I still think if you won fall or spring you should be included in state. The quality of play is poor in Oklahoma and TSCH chose to let their teams that won league in the Fall to skip Spring. If this is TSCH's fault then so be it but it still reflects on OSA's inability to provide quality league play and instead for TSCH to go in search of quality play in N Texas. It is also a contributing factor into Clubs leavibg OSA to perhaps form their own league for parity or improvement.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:26 pm

FootballDad05 wrote:I have not looked at the rules i am just speaking from what i had heard. I still think if you won fall or spring you should be included in state. The quality of play is poor in Oklahoma and TSCH chose to let their teams that won league in the Fall to skip Spring. If this is TSCH's fault then so be it but it still reflects on OSA's inability to provide quality league play and instead for TSCH to go in search of quality play in N Texas. It is also a contributing factor into Clubs leavibg OSA to perhaps form their own league for parity or improvement.

Again, i'm an OSA "hater" for lack of a better term. However, the "inability to provide quality league play" is not OSA fault. That said, it is a good reason for what is happening and I hope that it does increase the diversity and gives kids exposure to different teams and levels of play.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by TSC010405 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:29 pm

Schedules are all out! See you all out there......

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:08 pm

Energy were good, as a Soccer Association OSA should provide coaching clinics on a regular basis and make a improvement in the coaching licenses this will help teams out when they actually have qualified staff. There are too many unqualified coaches who have reached the various clubs. Their rules and regulations need to keep up with a changing youth soccer. Leagues are little better than parents coaching rec. with 3-4 quality clubs it diminishes the entire league. These are the areas that OSA should look to improve for upcoming youth play in Oklahoma. Changes should occur at the OSA level instead of watering down the playing experience. N TX is a prime example of improvement and what occurs when quality coaches are inputted into Clubs.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:27 pm

NTX doesn't have better soccer because of coaching education. It's a free for all down there. NTX has better teams because it's almost 9x larger than OKC and 11x larger that Tulsa. The secret is clubs managing their own style of play. You have to be accountable to what you teach. Add in the westside needs more consolidation and then you have it.

I appreciate the concept of more coaching education helping but at end of day too many coaches will sacrifice development for winning and be completely results orientated at too young an age.

I could go on OSA rant but that's an entire book! Lol

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by Gunners006 on Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:18 am

I was curious, I thought TSC Williams was the top team? So why is TSC Bartlesville in State cup and Williams in the president's cup?

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by Gatorade95 on Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:09 pm

Gonna rain a lot in T-town so they better start on the back up plan.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by P002130 on Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:49 pm

A contingency plan?... that's crazy talk.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by Gatorade95 on Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:05 pm

I am sure most know but if you don't state and presidents cup have been rescheduled. No games this weekend.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by Celtic05Dad on Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:24 pm

Gatorade95 wrote:I am sure most know but if you don't state and presidents cup have been rescheduled.  No games this weekend.

Rescheduled to;

The 11U-14U preliminary weekend will be moved to next weekend, May 6-7, at Indian Springs Soccer Complex in Broken Arrow.

The 11U-14U elimination matches will be held jointly with the 15U-19U finals May 27-29 at the Edmond Soccer Complex.

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Re: State Cup Schedules

Post by settledown on Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:13 pm

Why are the prelims and finals so far apart and why did they move the finals to Edmond when they were originally scheduled in Tulsa? Seems like a bad plan to move finals to a holiday weekend.

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