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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:32 pm

Worst Case Soccer Parent wrote:I'll play as I know a little about the 04's:

Today
1. TSC Kitterman
2. OFC
3. Blitz
4. SLSC
5. TSC Winters

Late Spring 2015
1. TSC Kitterman
2. SLSC - you have to pick a sleeper right?
3. OFC
4. Blitz
5. TSC Winters
Sounds about right. Might move Blitz a up the chain. I think OFC/Blitz game will tell us a lot. Yes, SLSC may be sleeper....don't know anything about 'em...could end up anywhere from #1 to #4.

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Post by bird04 on Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:37 pm

TSCSOCCERDAD wrote:I've only seen 3 teams:
3. Winters- Winters is good coach. Loves his girls. Team is not as athletic overall as OFC or Kitterman. Plays pretty slow. Has best goalie in 04's.
2. OFC- Has better athletes than Winters overall. Plays to slow to be top team and to direct. Don't know coach.
1. Kitterman- Just as fast as OFC. More athletic overall than OFC. Plays the ball faster than OFC. Plays off the ball better than OFC. Give Kitterman edge overall. Coach is X-factor. He could ruin team, but will only have for a short while.
Agree overall. One exception....it'd much more likely to be some of the parents that hurt Kitterman 04G than the coach.
Also, Winters goalie very good. Likes basketball, but if stays in soccer has what it takes to be great.

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Post by fanaticdad03 on Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:48 pm

Agree with Worst Case Parent. I've only seen SLSC and winters in bits and pieces. Anyone here have opinions on their strengths and weaknesses to make them a sleeper?

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by TSCSOCCERDAD on Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:58 pm

bird04 wrote:
TSCSOCCERDAD wrote:As a parent of an ECNL DD I'll give you my perspective(3 years worth):
1. OFC, Blitz and all other clubs are irrelevent once you get to ECNL. Your DD will NEVER play them again. And you can speculate until the cows come home who's best in OK, but it doesn't matter. You need to worry more about your DD development and how to beat TEXANS and Sting.
2. In the 98 and 99 age group they brought both complete teams from Blitz and effectively replaced the whole TSCH teams. Only a few girls survived. So if you think your DD position is safe just because she's on Kitterman now just ask some Kitterman parents about when Blitz 99 came over. They are always looking for better players and no one is safe. For Kitterman parents, just look around because some of your players won't be there in 3 years.
3. Kerry Shubert will play the best, most college eligible players. He's not interested in politics and YOU don't have any say. The only thing that has any say is wether your DD can play or not.
4. For WEST SIDE parents. Don't let your club or coaches fool you. ECNL is where it is at. The competition and college exposure is worth the trip. We have had several college coaches from ARK, OU,OSU tell players they need to get into ECNL for the competition. You instantly go from playing one or two competitive league games to playing 9 plus all the best players in the nation from top clubs.
5. Money spent is not all that diff. than playing PLW.
I hope #3 above is operative! I do find it odd that both the 98 and 99 ECNL teams were replaced by Blitz teams. What was the deal with that, anyway? Not trying to irritate anyone here, just trying to get a handle on it. It would seem to me that if there were no politics in picking the ECNL teams, then they would've already had the  best girls from the club in place and there would be little if any need for entire teams to be replaced. Is it just a couple of odd years where the best teams just happened to be at Blitz (I know this was the case with the 99's...just don't know much about the 98's)? I'm also pretty certain I know of cases of politics in the 2000's with regard to ECNL. Again, maybe just specific to that year or just defective products of the rumor mill. The 2000 ECNL squad certainly doesn't have a good track record overall. I wonder if a lot of Umelo girls will end up on that squad? What are your thoughts?
Umelo team only has a couple girls that would make team from what I understand. All TSCH teams struggle first year in ECNL. ECNL is fast paced and takes a while to catch up. Your probably right about politics, it's just less rampent cause parents have little say. TSCH needs to have good teams to stay in good standing with ECNL thats why they went after Blitz teams. TSCH doesn't do good job of development in younger ages. However, TSCH has best opportunity for DD to get quality coach. Most good blitz coaches at TSCH now. All of the college rethoric aside, the Texas conference in ECNL is toughest in the country. It is the highest level of club soccer for girls. Competition will make your DD better. However, ECNL isn't for every kid.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:19 pm

Thanks for your input! Nicely put...

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by Trojan on Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:28 am

bird04 wrote:
TSCSOCCERDAD wrote:I've only seen 3 teams:
3. Winters- Winters is good coach. Loves his girls. Team is not as athletic overall as OFC or Kitterman. Plays pretty slow. Has best goalie in 04's.
2. OFC- Has better athletes than Winters overall. Plays to slow to be top team and to direct. Don't know coach.
1. Kitterman- Just as fast as OFC. More athletic overall than OFC. Plays the ball faster than OFC. Plays off the ball better than OFC. Give Kitterman edge overall. Coach is X-factor. He could ruin team, but will only have for a short while.
Agree overall. One exception....it'd much more likely to be some of the parents that hurt Kitterman 04G than the coach.
Also, Winters goalie very good. Likes basketball, but if stays in soccer has what it takes to be great.

New Kitterman goalie has closed the gap, looks just as good, and is very dedicated and focused. No longer a team weakness.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by Sparky on Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:07 pm

If OFC gets accepted into ECNL how does it work if a player from the Tulsa area wanted to play for them? Does that mean they have to drive to OKC for practice? Curious how it works

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by 05GKdad_Tulsa on Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:23 pm

Correct, ECNL teams are just teams they play in a different league. So in order for you to practice with your team you have to drive to where they practice.
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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:44 am

1.kittermen
2.slsc
3.blitz
4.ofc
5.winters.
4.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:29 am

Doubtful..but maybe. Long season ahead...

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:42 am

We'll u guys have not seen a lot of SLSC 04 girls but they are just as athletic as ofc and kittermen, probably have the fastest outside mids in the state and there midfielders do a very good job of getting them the ball in space. The center backs are very strong and skilled, just don't allow a lot good shots on goal. They do have a few weaknesses but that is from a lack of playing 11v11, they will be fixed by spring. Well it's going to be a great year of soccer:)

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by Sparky on Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:27 pm

One victory over blitz on a game you didn't even deserve to win.... Come on. Cosmos04 runs the table they will have my respect, but if they are so good and have the best midfield in the state then why aren't they just pounding everybody? And don't give me the 10 yr old girl excuse. You better get healed of that 10 yr old syndrome because your going to hit a brick wall called TSC Kitterman. And as far as 11v11 experience Kitterman I would say had the most while the others are still learning themselves. Are there anymore excuses you might want to save up for later?

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Post by cosmos04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:39 pm

Nope no excuses were 3-0 and I would say that's pretty good for a team who wasn't even mentioned in the top 5 at the begining of this trend. I don't know how we didn't deserve the win, we scored and blitz did not.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:47 pm

Well, you gotta admit that the 19-0 win against Clinton might not be something to hang your hat on....Not sure where Arsenal lines up in there, but a 4-0 victory could mean a lot of things...I do note that Winters beat them 7-0, but again, hard to read too much into it this early in the season.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:53 pm

I'm just saying that three games into the season is a little early to be predicting SLSC finishing 2nd in the league in February---not saying it won't happen, just saying that from what I heard of the game you might be getting a little ahead of yourself. I really doubt that a halftime game plan change by the SLSC coach resulted in Blitz's last defender making a mistake and getting in the way of Blitz's goalie for a toe-poke goal on the one legitimate shot they had all game.(That's the story I heard, at least).  Maybe, maybe not...That's what makes if fun and why they play the whole season, I guess....

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:14 pm

I agree that's it's much too early. I still have no clue and won't till spring. That said I had to respond as information your getting on Blitz game is inaccurate. The goal was not a toe poke. Midfielder made a pass to our left back who was forced to play forward. She attacked and when two defenders pressed her she passed to our left back now playing left mid who is left footed. She hit it from 16-18 yards to the right side of net cause goalie was on left side. I don't have a biased memory of the game and in fact was disappointed with a lot of things but felt it was an uphill battle. I thought we played our worst game of season with worst effort . Did Blitz dominate 1st half? Yes. Second half much better. They had kids out we had kids out. Don't know how good theirs were but ours are very important to how we play.

Also, long drive there due to wreck. Girls didn't wake up till second half. Not really surprised as these are 10 year olds and I predictable.

It's 10 year old soccer If anybody' can predict this age group come spring I would like to fly you to Vegas where you can advise me on my betting.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:28 pm

Very well put, it is a little early for predictions but that's why there called predictions. I'm sorry if I'm coming out to "cocky" but was a little disappointed when we were not considered in the top 5 in the earlier predictions.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:11 pm

Predictions for today
Blitz 3-0
Ofc 17-0
Kittermen 9-0

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:18 pm

All good! The cockiness is what makes a board like this fun! Liked Sparky bringing it, too! I've called your team the wildcard from the beginning, BTW...Looks like they've got heart and skill.  Rooting for you against OFC for reasons you've alluded to, also.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:20 pm

cosmos04 wrote:Predictions for today
Blitz 3-0
Ofc 17-0
Kittermen 9-0
Anyone think OFC will run it up past 19-0? If so, why? I kinda suspect they will...

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by Worst Case Soccer Parent on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:24 pm

bird04 wrote:All good! The cockiness is what makes a board like this fun! Liked Sparky bringing it, too! I've called your team the wildcard from the beginning, BTW...Looks like they've got heart and skill.  Rooting for you against OFC for reasons you've alluded to, also.

04 parents definitely trying to bring the fun on this board. I am hoping other age groups pick it up.....people need to spread the word. This could be a great site with some more interaction.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:37 pm

Sure they will run score up, will see if they hang 25+, it wouldn't suprise me. Yeah I seen your prediction, thanks. I think blitz will win easily, just wasn't impressed with winters at the beat the heat, but I could be wrong

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by bird04 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:46 pm

Agreed

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by fanaticdad03 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:38 pm

Well after seeing winters score here is my top

1. Kitterman
2-4 OFC Winters Cosmos
5. Blitz
6. TSC Amos Gold
7. Nysa
8. OFC White
9. NEOFC blue
10. No clue


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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by fanaticdad03 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:42 pm

Seen a lot of these teams now. 1-5 can beat each other any given day. The X factor is OFC and SLSC have played far less 11 v 11 than east side which means their learning curve should be bigger and maybe see more gains this spring. OFC will have to learn beyond the physicality. It concerns me as I don't believe the style is sustainable. Slsc has numbers issue. Their seems to be a big drop off on their bench in games I have seen

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