State Cup Results - Pairty in OKlahoma Soccer?

ENERGYFC04 wrote:Dadgummit people.   I'm in a phone conference and doing this work. I'll have exact math and explanation in a bit.  Geez you guys (I can't call Sally a lady) are hard to please.

Number6 wrote:Energy usually has great points. I think your stretching a bit. Championships is what matters most (girls and boys) you can always tweek whatever to make it look good. SL winning their first state championship in 02 doesn't qualify as parity. WSA, blitz, always jumps up to take one. Tsc and ofc won 6 of the 8 state championships last weekend. SL 03 didn't make final 4. Sorry man big clubs still run this state when it matters most at state.

Yellowcard wrote:This isn't an 04 or 03 board... This is in General discussion so you are good!  Those calculations were hard for me to follow too...  I did some calculations too...

3=4 and 1x5=11  But potato is the most competitive box in this pen...  Sometimes you have to divide the potato to understand...

ENERGYFC04 wrote:This is what I got and I think I’m pretty close.   Using the following matrix (this is what you can do when you’re on a phone conference all morning):

Looked at last two years of soccer. This includes 2 state cups and OPL games where applicable. If there was an SRPL league I did not count OPL because my assumption is the good teams went and played PLW/SRPL.   I do not consider silver divisions or anything else.  You get 3 points for a championship at state cup or the top league for your age group. You get one point for a runner up at state cup or league championship.  The SRPL/PLW points are considered only as the Oklahoma teams compared to each other (I did not consider Dallas teams when factored into the league’s standings)

TSC  has 22 points in the last two years.  They have 4 state titles and 4 runner ups.   They have 3 league titles and 2 runner ups.  Now league is slightly skewed because Beattie has played up. Griffin played up this year and Carreno played up.  Bonus points for those teams.  Add 6 for Beattie since its two years of playing up.  Add 3 for Griffin and 2 for Carreno.   TSC point total is 33.

OFC – has 16 points the last two years.    1 state title (OFC 05s) and 1 runner up.   They have 3 league champions and 2 runner ups.    We can give the OFC 05s 1 bonus point for playing up (I gave Carreno 2 and since Carreno advanced out of OCL I think that’s fair).   That’s 17 points.  I was honestly surprised by this.  OFC’s 02s have not been very successful judging from this limited criteria.  The 03s made a State Cup final this year and were OPL champs twice.    The 04s have been OPL champs last fall and runner up the year before that but no State Cup finals appearances.  I have not calculated this spring’s OPL for 04s as games are still to be played.   You can assume OFC will just at least to 17 points and possibly 19.  

SLSC – 1 state title.  One Runner up.    They have 4 league titles.  That’s a total of 16 points.   Most of the damage has been done by SLSC the last two years with their 02s.  Just for reference I looked back and they weren’t nearly as successful in u11 and u12.  

Norman – This group their 03s have done most of their damage with a surprise state cup this year and runner up last year.  They received 3 runner up points in league play.    Aside from Beattie this has been a pretty even group.   Norman gets 7 points.    

Blitz – 3 points with a league title this year with 05s.

Observations

TSC performed as expected.   They did get 11 bonus points with their teams playing up but I think its fair especially in light of the success Beattie has had.   Without the bonus points they look closer to the pack but hey, trying to look at it rationally.

OFC surprised me.  Only 1 state title the past two (2) years (OFC 05 team this year in 8 v and one runner up.   They seem to get most of their success in league play.  Now admittedly, I know their 01s are good so if I had the time to go there it might bump OFC up some.   OFC seems more successful in the older age groups. Is that because SLSC and CVFC kids historically migrated over there?  

SLSC – A lot of their success is attributed to the 02 team.   Again, this started in U13 – U14 especially.  Their 03s snagged a surprise SRPL title this spring.  

Blitz – only one league title.  I don’t think this represents Blitz as a club.   I understand there is too much movement between blitz and TSC players and coaches making continuity hard. I think they have gotten the most out of the soccer drama they have had to endure the past few years and been very competitive.

I think I’m close on this.  It’s a narrow view.  I could make good arguments for and against this such as factoring in other tournaments (kids have off weekends), injuries or missing kids during state cup and other such blue room material.   That said decent attempt at an honest assessment here.  

Sally wrote:

ENERGYFC04 wrote:This is what I got and I think I’m pretty close.   Using the following matrix (this is what you can do when you’re on a phone conference all morning):

Looked at last two years of soccer. This includes 2 state cups and OPL games where applicable. If there was an SRPL league I did not count OPL because my assumption is the good teams went and played PLW/SRPL.   I do not consider silver divisions or anything else.  You get 3 points for a championship at state cup or the top league for your age group. You get one point for a runner up at state cup or league championship.  The SRPL/PLW points are considered only as the Oklahoma teams compared to each other (I did not consider Dallas teams when factored into the league’s standings)

TSC  has 22 points in the last two years.  They have 4 state titles and 4 runner ups.   They have 3 league titles and 2 runner ups.  Now league is slightly skewed because Beattie has played up. Griffin played up this year and Carreno played up.  Bonus points for those teams.  Add 6 for Beattie since its two years of playing up.  Add 3 for Griffin and 2 for Carreno.   TSC point total is 33.

OFC – has 16 points the last two years.    1 state title (OFC 05s) and 1 runner up.   They have 3 league champions and 2 runner ups.    We can give the OFC 05s 1 bonus point for playing up (I gave Carreno 2 and since Carreno advanced out of OCL I think that’s fair).   That’s 17 points.  I was honestly surprised by this.  OFC’s 02s have not been very successful judging from this limited criteria.  The 03s made a State Cup final this year and were OPL champs twice.    The 04s have been OPL champs last fall and runner up the year before that but no State Cup finals appearances.  I have not calculated this spring’s OPL for 04s as games are still to be played.   You can assume OFC will just at least to 17 points and possibly 19.  

SLSC – 1 state title.  One Runner up.    They have 4 league titles.  That’s a total of 16 points.   Most of the damage has been done by SLSC the last two years with their 02s.  Just for reference I looked back and they weren’t nearly as successful in u11 and u12.  

Norman – This group their 03s have done most of their damage with a surprise state cup this year and runner up last year.  They received 3 runner up points in league play.    Aside from Beattie this has been a pretty even group.   Norman gets 7 points.    

Blitz – 3 points with a league title this year with 05s.

Observations

TSC performed as expected.   They did get 11 bonus points with their teams playing up but I think its fair especially in light of the success Beattie has had.   Without the bonus points they look closer to the pack but hey, trying to look at it rationally.

OFC surprised me.  Only 1 state title the past two (2) years (OFC 05 team this year in 8 v and one runner up.   They seem to get most of their success in league play.  Now admittedly, I know their 01s are good so if I had the time to go there it might bump OFC up some.   OFC seems more successful in the older age groups. Is that because SLSC and CVFC kids historically migrated over there?  

SLSC – A lot of their success is attributed to the 02 team.   Again, this started in U13 – U14 especially.  Their 03s snagged a surprise SRPL title this spring.  

Blitz – only one league title.  I don’t think this represents Blitz as a club.   I understand there is too much movement between blitz and TSC players and coaches making continuity hard. I think they have gotten the most out of the soccer drama they have had to endure the past few years and been very competitive.

I think I’m close on this.  It’s a narrow view.  I could make good arguments for and against this such as factoring in other tournaments (kids have off weekends), injuries or missing kids during state cup and other such blue room material.   That said decent attempt at an honest assessment here.  

Are bonus points available if we do extra laps or bring can goods?